The Prop 8 trial: where things stand

November 23, 2011

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UPDATED as of February 21, 2012

By Jacob Combs and Adam Bink

The 9th Circuit’s February ruling that Proposition 8 is unconstitutional was a major victory in the fight to strike down Prop 8, and has the possibility of being the final word on the subject or of being reconsidered by a larger en banc panel of the 9th Circuit or even the U.S. Supreme Court.  If you’ve been following the case but are a bit confused about all the different dates that have been thrown around, don’t worry — the case is complicated, and there are essentially four different tracks making their way through the courts simultaneously.  Here’s an overview of each of these related but unique aspects of the case, and when we can expect to see them back in court.

The case itself (regarding the constitutionality of Proposition 8 on the merits)

The skinny: In 2009, the American Foundation for Equal Rights (AFER) filed suit in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California on behalf of two couples, Kristin Perry and Sandra Steir, of Alameda County, and Paul Katami and Jeffery Zarrillo, of Los Angeles.  Both couples had been denied licenses by their respective county authorities on the basis of their sexual orientation, as Proposition 8, a constitutional amendment passed in 2008, had amended the California Constitution to recognize marriages only between a man and a woman.  Representing the plaintiffs were Ted Olson and David Boies, two well-known attorneys who had been on opposite sides of the landmark Bush v. Gore case that decided the 2000 presidential election.

The non-jury trial took place in January, and included an unprecedented courtroom look into the history of marriage in the United States, the discrimination LGBT people have faced throughout history, and the economics involved in prohibiting or allowing marriage equality in California.  On August 4, 2010, Judge Walker ruled in favor of the plaintiffs, striking down Prop 8 as unconstitutional under both the Due Process and Equal Protection clauses of the U.S. Constitution’s 14th amendment.  In his opinion, Judge Walker presented 80 findings of fact regarding same-sex marriage, which included discussions about the immutability of sexual orientation, the ability of same-sex couples to be good parents, and the inequality of providing LGBT couples with civil unions as opposed to full marriages.  These findings of fact are highly significant, because while appellate courts can overturn a lower court’s decision based on its findings of law, they usually defer to those courts’ findings of fact.

Almost immediately, the proponents of Prop 8 appealed Judge Walker’s decision to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.  The 9th Circuit stayed the lower court’s injunction against Prop 8 pending appeal, and a 3-judge panel heard oral arguments in the appeal in December of 2010, in which both sides argued their case on the merits.  One significant question that the panel asked regarded the standing, or authority, of the proponents of Prop 8 under federal law to appeal Judge Walker’s decision.  (For more on the standing issue, see below.)  Instead of issuing a ruling, in January the 9th Circuit panel referred (the official term is ‘certified‘) a question to the California Supreme Court as to the proponents’ standing under state law, and the appeal was placed on hold pending the state court’s answer. In March, the California Supreme Court agreed to hear the question sent over by the 9th Circuit, and a hearing date was eventually set for September 6. The plaintiffs requested a speedier timeline, but the California Supreme Court refused to expedite its proceedings on the issue of standing, and eventually the court made its decision, which it issued on November 17.

On February 7, the 9th Circuit released its opinion in Perry v. Brown that Proposition 8, the 2008 voter-enacted ban on marriage equality in California, is unconstitutional. In addition, the appeals panel ruled that the proponents of Prop 8 did have standing to pursue their appeal of Judge Walker’s decision striking down the marriage ban, and upheld District Court Judge Ware’s decision denying a stay to throw out Walker’s ruling because he is gay. The ruling on constitutionality was divided on an 2-1 vote, with Judges Stephen Reinhardt and Michael Hawkins voting to strike Prop 8 down, and Judge N. Randy Smith voting to uphold the ban.  In its ruling, the 9th Circuit avoided following Judge Walker’s broad recognition of a right to marriage equality under the U.S. Constitution, arguing instead that there was no need to even address whether the Constitution contained such an inherent right.  Instead, they focused on the specific situation in California, in which gays and lesbians had been given full marriage rights which were then taken away.  The appeals panel found that it was unconstitutional to take away rights from a group that have already been granted, when the reason for removing such rights is moral animus.  Furthermore, the 9th Circuit panel’s decision stressed how important the word and designation of “marriage” is, and maintained that civil unions and domestic partnerships which grant such rights but withhold that designation are not equal to full marriage rights.

Where things are at today: The 9th Circuit ruled on February 7 that Judge Walker was correct in striking down Prop 8 as unconstitutional.  On February 21, Prop 8′s proponents filed a petition for further appellate review by an 11-judge en banc panel of the 9th Circuit.  Their request will be sent to all the active judges on the appeals court, who will then take a vote on whether to grant the rehearing.  There is no set timeline for this process.

Upcoming court date: None at this time

Standing (whether or not the supporters of Proposition 8 have the legal standing to appeal)

The skinny: The issue of standing in Perry is hands-down the most legally convoluted aspect of the case.  The original lawsuit filed by AFER on behalf of the two couples named as its defendants then-California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and Attorney General Jerry Brown, along with several other state officials.  (The case is now called Perry v. Brown because Gov. Brown succeeded Gov. Schwarzenegger.)  Schwarzenegger and Brown declined to defend the lawsuit in court, so the proponents of Proposition 8 (ProtectMarriage.com) filed successfully to join the suit as what are called intervenors — people who are not official parties to the case but feel the outcome of the case would affect them.

During the course of the trial, Judge Vaughn Walker cast doubt on whether the proponents of Prop 8 had what is called ‘standing’ to appeal any decision he made in court.  In federal courts, standing is determined according to the prescription laid out in Article III of the U.S. Constitution, and parties must be able to satisfy three requirements by showing 1) they will suffer particularized injury if the decision is not overturned, 2) there is a causal connection between this injury and the actions of the other side and 3) a court decision in their favor could redress the injury.  The 3-judge panel of the 9th Circuit assigned to the Perry case also questioned the proponents’ standing, asking whether they could demonstrate how the striking down of Proposition 8 causes them immediate harm.  (Essentially, it’s not enough to say striking down Prop 8 would harm marriages in general, because that doesn’t show particularized injury.) The panel decided in December 2010 to certify the question to the California Supreme Court, essentially asking them for an advisory opinion regarding the proponents’ standing under state law.

The CA Supreme Court accepted the 9th Circuit’s question in March 2011 and set a court date for six months later, refusing to expedite the proceedings at the request of the plaintiffs.  On September 6, the case was argued before the California Supreme Court. On November 17, the court ruled that the proponents do have standing to appeal the decision under state law.  The distinction between state and federal law is significant here.  The California Supreme Court’s decision was in no way binding on the 9th Circuit, which still had to decide independently if the proponents have standing under federal law. Nonetheless, the state court decision is one the appellate panel could point to if it decided to grant standing to the proponents, and many observers believe the panel has indicated that it would essentially mirror the standing decision made by the CA Supreme Court.

In the 9th Circuit’s February opinion in Perry v. Brown, the panel ruled that the proponents of Prop 8 did have standing under Article III to pursue appeal.  They cited the California Supreme Court’s decision that the proponents had standing under state law to represent the interests of the state of California, and issued a brief ruling on a unanimous 3-0 vote that the state court decision satisfied their concerns about standing.

Where things are at today: The 9th Circuit has ruled that the proponents of Prop 8 have Article III standing to appeal Judge Walker’s decision.  If there is any further appellate review at the 9th Circuit or the Supreme Court, the standing issue could be addressed again.

Upcoming court date: None at this time

The tapes (whether or not the video recordings of the Proposition 8 trial should be released)

The skinny: You may remember that almost two years ago (wow!), Judge Vaughn Walker, presiding over what was then called Perry v. Schwarzenegger in a district court, petitioned the 9th Circuit to include the Prop 8 trial in a pilot program the circuit was trying out in which cameras were allowed into the courtroom.  The 9th Circuit said yes, but the proponents of Prop 8 went to the U.S. Supreme Court (a notoriously camera-phobic body). Over 140,000 people signed a Courage Campaign petition to the U.S. Supreme Court asking that the proceedings be televised. The U.S. Supreme Court ultimately stayed the broadcast of the proceedings in a 5-4 decision.  Judge Walker withdrew Perry from the pilot program, and while the case was still filmed, the tapes (actually, digital recordings) were given to the litigants and placed into the court record under a seal.

After they appealed Judge Walker’s August 2010 decision to the 9th Circuit, Prop 8′s proponents filed a motion in district court to prevent Judge Walker from showing portions of the recordings, which he had done at a few speaking engagements.  The plaintiffs, along with a coalition of media companies, filed their own motion to have the court unseal the recordings and make them public.  At this point, Judge Walker had retired, and Judge James Ware, who replaced him, heard both sides’ arguments in district court.

In September 2011, Judge Ware ordered the tapes to be unsealed.  Prop 8′s proponents filed an emergency request with the 9th Circuit to stay the order, which was granted, and appealed the decision.  The 9th Circuit heard arguments regarding the appeal of Judge Ware’s decision on December 8, 2011.  On February 2, the appeal panel issued its decision regarding the recordings, overturning Judge Ware’s ruling and ordering that the tapes remain under seal.

Where things are at today: The opponents of Prop 8 and the media coalition could appeal the ruling to the Supreme Court, but have shown no intent of doing so at this time.

Upcoming court date: None at this time

Vacating Judge Walker’s decision (whether or not Judge Walker’s decision should be vacated on account of his sexual orientation)

The skinny: After Judge Walker’s decision, Prop 8′s proponents also filed a motion in district court (with Judge Ware again presiding) to vacate Judge Walker’s decision on the grounds that he failed to disclose that he himself was in a long-term relationship with a man (which he did announce publicly after the decision was released).  In June, Judge Ware denied the proponents’ motion. (If you haven’t read his ruling regarding the motion, it’s worth taking the time to do so.)

In the 9th Circuit’s February opinion in Perry v. Brown, the panel ruled on a unanimous 3-0 vote that Judge Ware had not abused his discretion in denying the motion to vacate Judge Walker’s decision.  Because of this, Judge Ware and Judge Walker’s decision will stand.

Where things are at today: Because this aspect of the case was consolidated into the main appeal of Judge Walker’s decision on constitutionality, proponents could ask for further appellate review on it if they appeal the 9th Circuit’s constitutional decision.

Upcoming court date: None at this time

The big question following the 9th Circuit’s opinion is: what comes next?  The 9th Circuit’s February 7 ruling maintained the previous stay placed on Judge Walker’s decision by the 9th Circuit in August 2010 until the appeals court’s mandate is final.  Because the proponents of Prop 8 have sought a full 9th Circuit rehearing, that stay is extended until the rehearing request is approved or denied.

The proponents of Prop 8 have asked for what is called an en banc hearing. In most appellate courts, this involves the decision by a panel of judges (in this case, the 3-judge panel reviewing the Perry v. Brown case) being reviewed by all the judges on the appeals court. In the 9th Circuit, however (by far the largest appellate court in the country), an en banc hearing involves 11 of the court’s judges. In order for this review to occur, a majority of all active judges in the 9th Circuit must vote to rehear it. Many legal observers believe it is unlikely the court would allow an en banc hearing. The losing party could then appeal the case to the U.S. Supreme Court. The Supreme Court has discretion over which cases it decides to hear, and hears arguments in only about 1% of all petitions filed for certiorari (judicial review) each term, so there is no guarantee it would take up an appeal of Perry. If four Supreme Court Justices agree to hear the case, the Supreme Court will review the case.

This post will be a permanent one that will be updated to reflect the most recent developments in the appeal.


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38 Comments Leave a Comment

  • 1. LCH  |  November 23, 2011 at 9:16 am

    ♀♀=♂♂=♀♂=∑♡

  • 2. Johan  |  November 23, 2011 at 10:17 am

    sub

  • 3. Colleen  |  November 23, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Great summary, thanks!

  • 4. MightyAcorn  |  November 23, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Great idea, thanks! It'll give me a place to send everyone who asks me, "So where are we at with same-sex marriage in CA these days?" I get asked at traffic lights, even…try summarizing all this during a red light, even one on a long cycle….

  • 5. AnonyGrl  |  November 23, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Good idea!!! Well done!

  • 6. Ronnie  |  November 23, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    I concur….. <3…Ronnie

  • 7. Ron  |  November 23, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    Wonderful synopsis and very helpful. Thanks. Equality and love will prevail!

  • 8. DaveP  |  November 23, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    Another big thanks to P8TT for this excellent summary!

  • 9. maggie4noh8  |  November 23, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    A great big thank you!

  • 10. Chris in Lathrop  |  November 23, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    I'm curious on a legal point here. Not that I have any doubt that the motion to vacate will be denied again, but what would happen to the Perry case should the motion be granted?

  • 11. Sam  |  November 23, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    The case'd be thrown out and…what? Would there be a new trial under a different judge? I don't want to think about it…

  • 12. Steven  |  November 23, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    They can re-file their case..

  • 13. Stefan  |  November 23, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    I will be my life that it will be thrown out. Ruling in favor of that would create such a legal mess. Judges would have to recuse themselves for any reason under the sun.

  • 14. Bill S.  |  November 24, 2011 at 12:26 am

    Yes, there would be a whole new trial with a different judge, one who can neither be gay-married or in a gay relationship (because supposedly ruling against Prop 8 would benefit him) nor be straight-married nor in a straight relationship (because if Prop 8 interferes with straight marriages, his/her marriage would also be affected, or it could affect his/her decision to get married).

    This motion is simply the opposition trying to throw everything and the kitchen sink at this case in the hopes that something will stick. Even on the off chance that they DID win on this, it wouldn't mean Prop 8 stays, it just means starting from scratch.

  • 15. _BK_  |  November 24, 2011 at 3:02 am

    I would think the new judge would have to be an asexual, non-San-Franciscan, multi-racial resident of some politically neutral town who never voted on same-sex marriage or…. blah blah blah…. I can't imagine who they would pick.

  • 16. Chris in Lathrop  |  November 24, 2011 at 7:19 am

    :::shakes head::: I guess I simply can't understand how our legal system, built upon centuries of Enlightenment ideals and Freethought, could be so bloody stupid itself or be forced to entertain such idiotic motions in the first place. Excepting, of course, in light of our modern state of politics and education.

    On that note, I found a couple of quotes I think sum up the root of most of our equality problems du jour:

    "Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day."
    ~Thomas Jefferson

    "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
    ~Isaac Asimov, column in Newsweek (21 January 1980)

  • 17. Bob Barnes  |  November 24, 2011 at 7:48 am

    Chris I totally agreed but the beautiful part of it is that their narrow-minded assessment on minority bias gets its day in court. We need the judicial branch to weigh in on this shutdown one more bigoted avenue.

    And thanks for the Asimov quote, it's quite timely.

  • 18. Thark  |  November 26, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    It's all over for these irrational "constitutional" marriage amendments, but the scene.

    NATIONWIDE.

    SOONER THAN LATER.

    *LIKE IT OR NOT*.

    …and it was good.

    (but of course, *ITGETS BETTER*. Take it from 1 od 2 of 18,000 in CA, who has the exact level of standing in this issue as the proponents (i.e. ZERO effect, Flop 8 or no Flop 8…Our marriage rights between my hubby and me, remain 100% intact for our uses. Permanently.

    Antigays just H8 knowing this…

    (*teehee*)

  • 19. Straight Marriages –&hellip  |  November 29, 2011 at 10:30 am

    [...] bulk of Europe in recognizing the legal inequalities between straight and gay couples nationwide.The debate of gay marriages has been a very hot political topic for many years and with being such a…idea of a gay or same-sex marriage there are those more liberal affording almost equal rights. [...]

  • 20. Prop 8 Trial Tracker &raq&hellip  |  December 30, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    [...] Perry v. Schwarzenegger: Tracking the right-wing Want to know where things stand with the Prop 8 trial? [...]

  • 21. The long engagement &laqu&hellip  |  January 21, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    [...] was the heart wrenching Prop 8 passage that happened months before we met, but there is still hope.  Prop 8 has been in legal [...]

  • 22. Do u understand  |  January 30, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    Why not use a little sense, then you would not be so darn upset and pissy when you lose. Based on your logic, then any judge opposed to murder, should not rule on it. However, a judge with an professed interest in murdering some one, would not be able to rule. Judges have a duty to disclose potential conflicts of interest, whether he deems so or not or recuse himself if he knows. If Walker had previously been an attorney for the defense team, he would have had to recuse himself.

    The bath tub, when the gay group tried to have the case thrown out saying that the voters of California did not have standing.

    Are you for same sex adult incest marriage? If not, why not/

  • 23. U B WRONG  |  January 30, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    Oops,, then along came the republicans who plan to correct the wrong. Shame sex mirages do not have federal standing or standing in 44 states.

    Gay liars hate this fact.

  • 24. Jacob Combs  |  January 31, 2012 at 6:49 am

    Dear U B WRONG,

    This is a message from the moderators of the site. You are more than free to express your opinion about constitutional amendments on this site, but phrases such as "shame sex mirages" and "gay liars" is simply name-calling and won't be tolerated. Please conduct yourself in a respectful manner, without resorting to name-calling.

  • 25. Samantha  |  January 31, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Am I the only one anxiously checking the site every day hoping for the slightest hint of some announcement on this case?

    Tick tock, tick tock… waiting, waiting, waiting… ::sigh::

  • 26. lee  |  January 31, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    Absolutely not!! we are all with you ;)

  • 27. B&E  |  January 31, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    I mean really, it's almost February. Come on, I mean how hard can this thing be to judge. I am not an attorney or member of the judicial or political system. It honestly can't take this long to rule on something so important to the civil rights of thousands of Americans. It is honestly a no brainer.

    DOMA is unconstitutional.
    Any law dealing with LBGT Americans must put under the micro-scope of strict scrutiny.
    A gay judge must be allowed to sit on the bench when there are issues affecting the larger class of LBGT citizens.
    The tapes must be released as they are part of the record.
    Same sex marriages must be immediately allowed and validated in the State of CA.
    The Ninth Circuit must appeal to the the SCOTUS to strike DOMA from the land.

    It's just that easy.

  • 28. Prop 8 Trial Tracker &raq&hellip  |  February 1, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    [...] Perry v. Schwarzenegger: Tracking the right-wing Want to know where things stand with the Prop 8 trial? [...]

  • 29. Wheezie  |  February 2, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Only problem with your statement is that the Ninth Circuit doesn't appeal any case to the Supreme Court. Their name is the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. If any party in a trial is not satisfied with the ruling, they are the ones to file an appeal to a higher court, not the Ninth Circuit.

  • 30. Brad Carmack  |  February 3, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Nope I am too!

  • 31. Stephen  |  February 6, 2012 at 10:22 am

    A ruling on constitutionality is due to be published tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. PST

  • 32. Prop 8 Trial Tracker &raq&hellip  |  February 6, 2012 at 10:28 am

    [...] Perry v. Schwarzenegger: Tracking the right-wing Want to know where things stand with the Prop 8 trial? [...]

  • 33. Prop 8 Trial Tracker &raq&hellip  |  February 6, 2012 at 5:51 pm

    [...] Perry v. Schwarzenegger: Tracking the right-wing Want to know where things stand with the Prop 8 trial? [...]

  • 34. What to Know About Todayâ&hellip  |  February 7, 2012 at 7:26 am

    [...] of what to expect. (A longer, in-depth history of the Prop 8 trial, Perry v. Brown can be found here.)  In essence, however, there have been three main tracks of the trial leading up to tomorrow’s [...]

  • 35. Prop 8 Trial Tracker &raq&hellip  |  February 7, 2012 at 10:31 am

    [...] Perry v. Schwarzenegger: Tracking the right-wing Want to know where things stand with the Prop 8 trial? [...]

  • 36. Adam Bink: What To Know A&hellip  |  February 7, 2012 at 10:43 am

    [...] of what to expect. (A longer, in-depth history of the Prop 8 trial, Perry v. Brown can be found here. In essence, however, there have been three main tracks of the trial leading up to today’s [...]

  • 37. » Today we move ahe&hellip  |  February 7, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    [...] of what to expect. (A longer, in-depth history of the Prop 8 trial, Perry v. Brown can be found here. In essence, however, there have been three main tracks of the trial leading up to today’s [...]

  • 38. A Good Week for Marriage &hellip  |  February 9, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    [...] were new developments, and posts discussing legal strategies and comment, there are links to a timeline of events for anyone wanting to get caught up on the history. You can also read many of the court documents, [...]

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