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The path towards DOMA repeal from marriage in NY
By Adam Bink
Sen. Feinstein was on CNN’s State of the Union yesterday, talking DOMA repeal in the context of marriage in NY:
One of the more uncovered issues (with the exception of CNN, to their credit) is how more couples married in NY will find the pain of DOMA now more applicable to their lives, which presents our movement with a strong organizing opportunity. Many same-sex couples think their marriages are equal to heterosexual marriages. They aren’t. Or, as Larry Kramer put it in his usual forceful way:
“These marriages, in whichever state, are what I call feel-good marriages,” Kramer told The New York Times for a story published over the weekend, as the first ceremonies took place. “Compared to the benefits heterosexual marriages convey, gay marriages are an embarrassment — that we should accept so little, and with so much hoopla of excitement and self-congratulation.”
I wouldn’t dismiss the joy in the way Larry does, but his point is well-taken. As I’ve written before, I was shocked when I went home recently that for all amount that people wanted to talk about marriage in NY, no one knew what the Defense of Marriage Act was. A strong public education opportunity. The next time someone asks me “isn’t it great?”, one might reply, “yes, but…” and continue the process of educating and mobilizing.
110 Comments July 25, 2011
NY’s anti-equality team heads to court; but does sorely losing = legal standing?
Cross-posted at Good As You
By Jeremy Hooper
Oh look, a lawsuit. And of course they’re using the Liberty Counsel, an extremely far-right legal outfit that decried the Prop 8 defense for not being anti-gay/pro-”ex-gay” enough:
A lawsuit challenging the legality of the process that brought gay “marriage” legislation to the floor of the New York State Senate will be filed in the Livingston County Supreme Court this morning.
New Yorkers for Constitutional Freedoms, Rev. Jason J. McGuire, Rev. Duane R. Motley and Rabbi Nathaniel S. Leiter are listed as plaintiffs. The plaintiffs, represented by the Liberty Counsel, contend that same-sex “marriage” legislation was only able to pass the State Legislature through:
-meetings that violated New York State Open Meetings Laws.
-the suspension of normal Senate voting procedures to prevent Senators who opposed the bill from speaking.
-failure to follow Senate procedures that require that a bill must be sent to appropriate committees prior to being placed before the full Senate for a vote.
-unprecedented Senate lock-outs by which lobbyists and the public were denied access to elected representatives.
-the Governor’s violation of the constitutionally mandated three-day review period before the Legislature votes on a bill by unjustifiably issuing a message of necessity.
-promises (which were fulfilled) by high-profile elected officials and Wall Street financiers to make large campaign contributions to Republican senators who switched their vote from opposing to supporting the Marriage Equality Act.
Look, I completely defend their right to bring a case. Have at it. Because not only is it a great American freedom, but also: These continued theatrics against something the state’s residents support in majority numbers only help our future pushes. A loss on this for them will mean another step towards our sustainable win.
Let’s just hope NYCF has enough fortitude to submit into evidence the “perverted and twisted” things they used to drum up their own cause.
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*Oh, and Liberty Counsel: Please, please, please put your own Matt Barber on tho case, where he can share some of his but its charm with the court. Things like: The time Matt said that gay male relationships constitute “one man violently cramming his penis into another man’s lower intestine and calling it ‘love’”; the time Matt called President Barack Obama an anti-american enemy; the time he accused Obama and Barney Frank of being anti-religious bigots; the time he suggested there are “sinister motives” in the Obama White House; the time he agreed with TVC’s Andrea Lafferty that homosexuality is “among a litany of…sexual deviances” that include things like sex with an amputee’s stump and sexual behavior involving feces and urine; the time he likened pro-equality progressives to Fred “God Hates F*gs” Phelps; the time he referred to marriage equality advocates as “purveyors of evil“; the time he compared gay unions to marrying a house plant; the time he said Ellen Degeneres “guides her many adoring housewife fans into rebellion against God’s divine and explicit natural order”; the time he called Google “satanic” for supporting marriage equality; the time he accused gay-friendly media outlets of trying “to make the absurd appear reasonable and normal”; the time he referred to the Muslim faith as “Satanic”;etc., etc. More than just about anyone in the “pro-family” world (with the possible exception of Bryan Fisher), Matt has made the choice to go as personal, as negative, as hyperbolic, and as wantonly hurtful as humanly inhumanely possible. He does this on the daily.
49 Comments July 25, 2011
Amazing Shift In Party Attitudes On Marriage Equality
Please welcome P8TT friend Scott Wooledge, who blogs as clarknt67 over at DailyKos and Pam’s House Blend, for a guest post today -Adam
By Scott Wooledge
National Journal regularly publishes surveys on issues it calls “Insider Surveys.” This month’s survey is on the issue of “gay marriage” (the term they use, we prefer the term marriage equality).
The results show an absolutely astonishing shift in attitudes on the issue, for both the Democratic and Republican party “insiders” surveyed.
It is 207 people, and to be clear it is not a scientific survey that is in any way representative of the population at large. To the contrary, it is heavily weighted by committed politicos. They explain the respondents:
The National Journal Political Insiders Poll is a regular survey of political operatives, strategists, campaign consultants and lobbyists in both parties.
In some ways this may be more indicative of the future of the marriage equality fight than mere popular polling. To earn the title of being deemed an “insider” by the National Journal it is probably fair to say one must be an opinion leader and have some sway in not insignificant spheres of power and/or thought.
The article contrasts changes in responses between April 2009, the last time they asked, and the most recent one, July 2011. This is a mere 27 months.
Of course, it is also a 27 month period that saw Federal Court repudiations of Prop 8, several of the Defense Marriage Act, a 180-degree turnaround in the Justice Department’s stance on DOMA, legislative vote to allow repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” a Federal Court strike down of DADT, and Democratic Governor Andrew Cuomo’s resounding victory on this issue in New York (made possible by Republicans acquiescing to give it to him). And of course, now a Presidential endorsement of the Respect For Marriage Act.
Also, national polling turned a corner and now shows opponents are indisputably in the minority, and the polling is only going one way.
The changes from the “Insiders” are remarkable, for not only the Democratic responses (102 people) but also for the Republicans (105). The respondents to the survery are actually named at the source, which include some marquee names (Dana Perino, Janet Napolitano, Alex Castellanos, Peter Daou, Mike Murphy, Harold Ickes) and many more that are less familiar. Their specific responses are not provided, and the quotes are anonymous.
First, a look at the respondents who identify themselves as Democrats:
Look at that swing: a 25 point uptick in Democrats expressing their support, in just 27 months. From a super-majority to realistically about as close to party unanimity as one might hope to see on any issue in politics.
The GOP has not swung significantly toward support, but respondents do seem to be indicating a desire to retreat—rather than double down—on the fight:
Republicans are showing a 20 point shift in the hardline opposition. Where’d they go? Mostly not to support (which did uptick 6%), but rather, to “Avoid the issue.” One Republican who is himself described as opposed to “gay marriage” is quoting as saying,
“State the position and move on. Do not make it the focal point.”
“Avoid the issue?”
“Do not make it a focal point?”
WTF?!
But? But? Hasn’t the right wing been telling us gay marriage will lead to “anarchy,” “gulags“, “the tyranny of the majority“, “the end of the world,” and as Catholic leaders have warned, will make the United States exactly like “China and North Korea?”
How can they abandon a fight with consequences that dire?
Perhaps it’s that a look at the cross-tabs of the polls shows that 15+ years into the debate, most swing voters and independents have rejected the most deranged, hysterical, hyperbole coming out of the far right on the subject. In fact, more and more and more they are siding with those awful, radical, activist homosexuals, as multiple majority opinion polls are showing.
In fact, even the craziest of the crazy can read the writing on the wall. Jim Daly, president of the far-right social issues group Focus on the Family discussed marriage equality in May saying:
“We’re losing on that one, especially among the 20- and 30-somethings: 65 to 70 percent of them favor same-sex marriage. I don’t know if that’s going to change with a little more age — demographers would say probably not. We’ve probably lost that. I don’t want to be extremist here, but I think we need to start calculating where we are in the culture.”
When a group who’s made their entire business model out of manufacturing homophobia starts talking about coming up with a Plan B, you know a sea change is occurring.
All this points to a bit of a puzzle I myself have been trying to solve.
There is a conventional wisdom not infrequently expressed that “Democrats don’t want elections to be all about the gays, for heavens sake!” Everyone knows gay issues are electoral kryptonite, right?
But how to square the conventional wisdom with what’s actually going on?
The President, of course, recently made a strong stand in support of Repealing the Defense of Marriage Act.
And many influential Democrats in the Senate seem OK with heading straight into 2012 armed with a high-profile push for repeal the Defense of Marriage Act as a front burner cause. They are clearly using the power of their offices to make this issue a focal point, enthusiastically talking to the press, and placing the issue in the public consciousness via the awesome Senate DOMA Repeal hearings.
They appear to be seizing public interest ignited by the Prop 8 verdict, the Justice Department’s remarkable shift on DOMA, and New York’s marriage equality victory.
The clue to what is really going on is apparently some Democrats see an electoral opportunity here, from the National Journal:
Democrats also felt that support for gay marriage would solidify the party’s grip on younger voters. “It’s this generation’s civil rights movement,” exclaimed one Democratic Insider.”It’s a huge demographic opportunity for Democrats because almost every voter under 30 supports it,” said another.”
This is not conjecture or wishful thinking on the part of the speakers, but can be observed in the crosstabs of every credible poll taken on the issue. This is also the reason so many, like the Vice President, have concluded marriage equality is “inevitable.”
Where Democrats see gain, the Republicans see only their own vulnerability:
“Huge issue with young voters we need,” asserted one GOP Insider who said the party should support gay marriage. “Only idiots fight demography.”
It may take a while for these insiders in the GOP to influence their party. Republican “idiots” continue to mount quixotic grandstanding stunts on the issue. They are doing what the GOP does best, tossing red meat to the base. GOP Presidential candidates, too, have been gleefully feeding the Religious Right base what they want to hear in pursuit of the 2012 nomination. (Although Michele Bachmann, never before the least shy about her hatred of the gays, appears now, uncharacteristically unwilling to talk.)
But, none of the gay-hating politicians are likely impressing anyone who wouldn’t be already inclined to vote against that darn “Kenyan” and his Democratically-enabled “socialist agenda!”
Cheers to the Democratic leaders that are increasingly really rising, not shying from this fight. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo found championing the issue of marriage equality was a pretty effective way to prompt the press to pair the number “2016″ with his name. Many suspect that was his aim all along. Well, mission accomplished, guv’nor.
Maryland Governor Mike O’Malley looked north, saw some of the love Cuomo’s been getting and apparently now wants a piece of the action. Good for him. Good politics and good policy need not be exclusive.
In championing this issue Democrats, of course, are serving up a slice of red meat to their own progressive base. But, unlike the Republicans, exploiting their base’s instincts for equality and justice now offers little risk of alienating the middle and voters who might otherwise consider leaning left. This is a trend that shows no danger of reversing in any of our lifetimes.
It’s clear this issue is fast heading for a reckoning. It’s also clear which party is fast scrambling to be on the right side of history, and which party is finding they’ve painted themselves into an electoral corner. As Franklin Delano Roosevelt implored supporters, the time has come to welcome their hatred.
This post is an update of a post that first ran on Daily Kos. The author, Scott Wooledge, writes regularly there under the handle Clarknt67. He is a Brooklyn based writer and activist.
58 Comments July 24, 2011
New York marriage equality beginning: Open thread
By Adam Bink
I won’t be at my computer, but I’ll be keeping an eye on all the celebrations on my phone. Let’s have an open thread.
My family back home is reporting many celebrations planned in Niagara Falls, including lighting up the falls with rainbow lights. Pretty cool.
My friend and colleague Bill in Portland Maine over at DailyKos has a fun Cheers and Jeers thread, including some zingers at Maggie and co. Worth a read and a smile.
Where will you be, what will you be watching… and do you know anyone who will be wed?
60 Comments July 23, 2011
Critical: Stepping up for LGBT community funding
By Adam Bink
Last month, thanks to so many of you who took a minute to vote daily or every other day, we won $50,000 from Pepsi in the June round of the Pepsi: Refresh Everything contest to fund our LGBT project, Testimony. This month, it’s to fund our Camp Courage, which trains people to organize locally for LGBT equality.
We entered again this month, and spent most of the month around 4th, 5th, or 6th place, including spending yesterday in 6th. The top ten win. However, as we knew it would, the competition heated up and we woke up this morning to find ourselves in 12th place! That means we need your help to pull through. $50,000 can go a long way to training a network of pro-LGBT activists — something that people like Maggie Gallagher dread.
Here’s a new tool to allow you to cast votes for us and our partners easier, with less clicking! Remember you can vote with a Facebook account, then log out, vote with a Pepsi account, and then by mobile phone – daily.
You can also vote by going to this page.
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Remember that you can text in your vote to the number “73774″. The codes are below:
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Let’s pull this through! Thanks for helping Camp Courage, and LGBT people across the country!
5 Comments July 23, 2011
