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Louie Louie, oh no (or how NOM volunteer Louis learned to stop worrying and love spinning)
August 7, 2010
by Adam Bink
So NOM volunteer Louis (hi, Louis!) blew a gasket over our coverage of his “Summer for Empty Parking Lots and Pro-Violence Signs Marriage”. Here’s his post on the Sioux City stop:
Our rally today in Sioux City attracted about 80 people. Our opponents claim that only 56 showed up but that of course, is because they need to make it sound like there were more people at their same-sex ‘marriage’ rally they held than who showed up to support authentic marriage between a man and a woman.
They can take a picture from forty feet away and count the heads they see. Sure from that point of view and in a two-dimensional photo, there very well may be only 56 heads visible. But said photo lacks important aspects such as depth which is why their head count of 56 is about 25 heads short.
There’s no way one photo from one vantage point is going to show each person standing in a group! It’s a very simple concept yet our opponents have made this mistake time and time again – but the point is that it actually isn’t a mistake.
A coupla things:
1. Pot calling the kettle black here, my friends. How is your photography any different, Louis? Louis posts this photo:
and then claims “Our rally today in Sioux City attracted about 80 people.” Based on what, exactly? Louis decries two-dimensional photos that lack depth, then posts one to prove there are 80 people. In fact, posts two- there’s another one at the top left on every post. Louis, we are waiting for your photo documentation taken from a tree or the official NOM Tour helicopter showing those 80 people.
2. We’ll leave aside that you seem to be calling us liars, Louis. It kind of makes me laugh, actually. Consistently you’ve been out-turned out on your own tour, and you’re desperate for a new spin angle. You’re trying to do your duty. No hard feelings.
But, let me give you a piece of advice. If you’re going to make that kind of claim absent non-two dimensional photos, you need to prove it. I want you to count each and every one of those people and show they’re there. Something along these lines:
From Camp Courage advisor Billy Polina, a hand-count of the pro-NOM attendance in Annapolis
Then we’ll talk.
3. What Timothy Kincaid said. We don’t care if it’s 56 or 80 or 110 (even though in most places, it’s nowhere close to triple digits). Even today in the Deep South, Georgia, a state that voted for a constitutional ban by a 3-1 margin, the count was 254-16 (and I’d like to see the photo spinning your way out of 16). Three separate rallies have been held in empty parking lots. After all this planning and crowing about a majority for marriage, NOM is imploding on its own tour.
And no amount of spinning will change that.
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136 Comments Leave a Comment
1.
Ķĭŗîļĺę& | August 7, 2010 at 9:01 am
Subbing
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Alan E. | August 7, 2010 at 9:02 am
I'm fine with 20.
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Bryan | August 7, 2010 at 9:03 am
Almost first.
There's so much spinning, I'm getting dizzy.
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Richard A. Walter (s | August 7, 2010 at 9:05 am
Adam, you, like Arisha, are showing quite a bit of restraint. You Rock!
On the previous thread, you will see a video for a song that fits the NOM tour spinners, especially WRT to their eyewear. Hope you get a chance to listen, and I hope you enjoy it.
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paul | August 7, 2010 at 9:12 am
I guess for all of us who support marriage equality, the exact number can be spun either way. The real bottom line is that SSM support is consistently greater than NOM support on this tour…their tour !
We know we're winning the battle. For me, staying civil is the hardest thing in the world to do with these "people", but I keep telling myself that to win the hearts & minds of middle-America we need to stay cool.
We're doing a great job!!!
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JonT | August 7, 2010 at 9:20 am
Cruising for email.
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Dave in CA | August 7, 2010 at 9:21 am
I don't know where to start laughing at Louis' attempt to build a mountain of support from that molehill of 56 (80? ok, fine, it's 80; you can have 80). Too rich. If it really means that much to him, let's give him his 80.
Going back to Judge Walker's finding of fact re: animus and moral disapproval… it's too bad he couldn't also find a way to "intellectual dishonesty" and "utter incompetence" in his findings of fact.
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Ronnie | August 7, 2010 at 9:22 am
Hi Louis….. ; )
<3…Ronnie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6V0-EEd5nU
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Ann S. | August 7, 2010 at 9:24 am
Sub-sub-subbing away.
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Tracy | August 7, 2010 at 9:28 am
56 vs. 80? Seriously? There are billions of people in the world, and he is squibbling about 24 people?
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Pat Wright | August 7, 2010 at 9:30 am
Reading this website I get the impression of two school children trying to out do each other. I'd expect that from some of the other side, but c'mon equality people, let's elevate the discussion a little bit. Logic and fairness are on our side. Relgion and tradition is on the other side. Who cares how many dumbos who up to support their rallies?
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rikerbear | August 7, 2010 at 9:30 am
Bless his heart for trying to count like a big person…without using his fingers and toes.
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fiona64 | August 7, 2010 at 9:33 am
Heh. At least he could do it all by his lonesome in Atlanta.
Hi, Louis! Bless your heart.
Love,
Fiona
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Anonygrl | August 7, 2010 at 9:37 am
We do a lot of that sort of discussion too Pat, but sometimes we need to sit back and have a good laugh.
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Anonygrl | August 7, 2010 at 9:38 am
You are making an assumption, Fiona, and you should be very careful about that.
After all, we don't KNOW that Louis has toes.
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rikerbear | August 7, 2010 at 9:41 am
Just having some fun at their expense Pat. Their side is forever doing idiotic juvenile things…now and than it's fun to allow ourselves a laugh…however childish it may seem to you, it's all in good fun.
Their side continues to distort the truth:
1: Attendance (LIES!)
2: Evil Gays threatening, intimidating women and children (LIES!)
3: Attack dogs at rally (LIE!)
4: Evil Hostile Gays stormed the stage (LIES!!)
Those are just a few of the lies and distortions.
If we don't call them out on one lie no matter how small than we risk allowing them credibility.
Not on my watch!!
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Sagesse | August 7, 2010 at 9:41 am
NOM Tour Trackers are bearing witness. To how many attended, to what was said, and to the marriage equality response, which NOM,Louis and co. stopped mentioning about stop # 3. Imagine what they'd be saying if they weren't being watched.
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Richard A. Walter (s | August 7, 2010 at 9:43 am
That is another part of the value of this P8TT family. We can vent here and get things off our chest so that we can deal with the moderate folks who are on the fence in a rational manner. This is the place where we can let off steam, get ideas from others on how to handle various situations, and smooth ruffled feathers.
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Mark M. (Seattle) | August 7, 2010 at 9:47 am
Want a good laugh?
Here is our wedding picture from 1988.
We had our 'Holy Union' at MCC in San Diego on our 5th anniversary.
Lord we were young LOL
http://www.flickr.com/photos/beargardener/4870237…
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Ann S. | August 7, 2010 at 9:48 am
What a couple of good-looking guys!
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Richard A. Walter (s | August 7, 2010 at 9:50 am
I think he did. Remember, he siad that Blankenhorn's testimony should not be given very much wieght, and pretty much, in strict legal terms cited both "intellectual dihonesty" (in finding that Mr. Blankenhorn was NOT an expert in what he claimed to be an expert in) and "utter incompetence" with the overall lack of credibilty he gave to Mr. Blankehorn's testimony. I will go back and re-read the decision so that I can make note of the locations to refer you to on those.
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Anonygrl | August 7, 2010 at 9:53 am
Sweet! I like the matching bow ties.
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Richard A. Walter (s | August 7, 2010 at 9:54 am
Remember, Tracy, they need every individual they can get, even if imaginary.
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Tracy | August 7, 2010 at 9:55 am
Yes, okay — given that, they might want to consider that little tree nymph hiding in the corner …. oh wait, she's on the Marriage Equality side…
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Richard A. Walter (s | August 7, 2010 at 9:56 am
Maybe he is counting how many water bottles are on the ground as he cleans up afterward. Only problem with that is that there may be some people who are double-dipping into the water bottle cooler.
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Richard A. Walter (s | August 7, 2010 at 10:11 am
Actually, what I see in that picture brought a smile of happiness to my face. Your love for each other is so obvious in that photo. And is Rikerbear your hubby?
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funkifried | August 7, 2010 at 10:18 am
Of course these people can't count. Over and over again they keep saying:
1 man +
1 women =
A proper marriage
Sheesh.
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Richard A. Walter (s | August 7, 2010 at 10:21 am
Yeah, those rainbow wings just sort of give that one away as being one of ours.
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funkifried | August 7, 2010 at 10:21 am
Kickin' mullet! Business in the front, party in the back
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Kathleen | August 7, 2010 at 10:28 am
What am I doing? Can't seem to help myself.
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Joel | August 7, 2010 at 10:32 am
I'm sure that Mr. Brown has toes. He just can't use them to count, as he hasn't seen them in years!
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Roger | August 7, 2010 at 10:42 am
I thought it was:
1 man+1 woman+1 all powerful deity+1 said deity's son= proper marriage.
No wait….wouldn't that mean someone's going to end up with a dick in a dude in bed?
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Dave in ME | August 7, 2010 at 10:45 am
More more more MORE of this nonsense!!!
Dave
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Joel | August 7, 2010 at 10:58 am
Sweet Moses, I just saw video of Moscow on the news! I had no idea! Kyril, how are you managing to stay healthy? Would you like to come spend a month in Vegas till the smoke goes away? Please keep yourself safe!
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Bob | August 7, 2010 at 11:22 am
for the serious side of things, read JonT's blogsite, about little Roy who was beaten to death for acting like a girl, followed by all the children who died or took their lives for being bullied at school,
think that's a serious onversation we're avoiding, by having all the fun,
there is some deep underlying sorrow that is being avoided, by all this giddiness and childlike behavior Pat.
On Aug 2nd little Roy was beaten do death, on Aug 3rd Judge Walker gave noitcie of his ruling, (I'm thinking little Roy prompted him to get on with it,) On Aug 4th the ruling came out in our favour, Celebration insued,
We could get to work on exposing the results of the fear NOM spews, but we're having to much fun laughing at them.
JonT has done an amazing job of starting a blogsite, we need to get to work protecting the children. To many have already died.
Does anyone know if the LGBT commuity has an archives of all the children who died as a result of bullying, beatings, or taking their own lives because they couldnt handle the result of the above. A very somber, sober task I know, but a factual rebuttal to NOMers protect the children line.
I agree Pat we could get back to work on changing hearts and minds, and educating people about the annilation of Rainbow Chilodren.
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PamC | August 7, 2010 at 11:31 am
Yawning & subscribing….from Florida! Long day of traveling.
Apparently Equality Florida is having a different rally tomorrow at the Orlando MCC. I haven't heard of any counter-protest…unless anyone out there on the internets knows something re: NOM in Florida?
'night, all…!
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Anonygrl | August 7, 2010 at 11:46 am
From NOM's website…
Boy, we MUST be the bad guys. Listen to all the horrible stuff we are up to!!
Our opponents are determined to force same-sex on the entire nation, and judges like Judge Walker are more than willing to help — even declaring the Christian faith itself “harmful” to gays and lesbians.
We are? They did?
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Ann S. | August 7, 2010 at 11:50 am
"force same-sex on the entire nation" — well, gosh, that's gonna be a heck of a big party, and frankly a new experience for me, but if NOM says so, it must be so.
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Ronnie | August 7, 2010 at 12:02 pm
No NOM, you dipshites…..It's Homophobic, Fascism that is HARMFUL to Gays & Lesbians……There are Christians who follow the true teachings of Christianity & support Equality…when is that PROVEN FACT going to get through their thick skulls…..for crying our loud, a rock is less dense those NOMrades are & an incurable tumor is way more welcomed then their repugnant rhetoric is….. : I …..Ronnie
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Richard A. Walter (s | August 7, 2010 at 12:08 pm
Remember, Ronnie, the NOMbies aren't even attempting to read Judge Walker's decision. Theya re just skimming it to see how they can twist it, and it is probably MG who is doing that. After all, BB and LJM are far from being the sharpest crayons in that box.
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Anonygrl | August 7, 2010 at 12:12 pm
That's right! Ha HA all you straight folks! Thought you could escape, but NO! It is GAY SEX for YOU!!
But be careful gays! Watch out for the dreaded CHRISTIAN FAITH. One touch, and you shrivel up like a vampire in the sun! Or maybe sparkle like one. Which could be ok, I guess…I do look good in glitter…
Wait, where was I? Oh, yeah! Those Bible Thumpers are coming to THUMP YOU with their Nook-you-lar Powered Holy Book! How do I know? Judges like Judge Walker said so!
(Disclaimer:No actual gay sex was forced on anyone, and no actual judges declared the homosexual slaying power of any brand of religious belief or literature* during the making of this post. No animals were harmed, but two passing squirrels, my neighbor's labradoodle and a flock of Canadian geese did claim to be very confused by the whole thing. Please send contributions now so these poor creatures can seek therapy. Think of the labradoodles! Will no one think of the labradoodles?)
(*except possibly the I-Ching, but there was some debate as to whether that was even a religion, and the whole business fell to pieces at that point and everyone went out for some frozen yogurt instead.)
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Felyx | August 7, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Actually he does not live in Moscow proper… but… as a personal favor I would
LOVE-YOU-FOREVER-AND-EVER!!!!!!
if you could somehow manage to get him to Vegas for a month or even just a day.
Just my 0.02 cents.
Felyx
BTW, to all P8TTers who have watched the two of us on this site for oh… say… the last half year, we invite you to our FaceBook page. FelyxKevyn Drôlet We invite you all to join. (Just leave a message with the word P8TT so we know where you're from. Thanks! Love.)
43.
Kathleen | August 7, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Prize for best belly laugh of the day!
btw, anonygirl, are you on facebook? If so, you know how to find me, right?
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Felyx | August 7, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Having an archive would be so powerful! Making commercials of loved ones taken like that would overpower the fear commercials of kids being exposed to Princes marrying.
Felyx – A Prince for a Tsarovich
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Chris | August 7, 2010 at 1:20 pm
"…even declaring the Christian faith itself “harmful” to gays and lesbians."
What! Of course the Christian faith isn't harmful to gays and lesbians. All it does is declare that gays and lesbians are abominations who should be destroyed. Sheesh.
This is just another example of the bigoted homosexuals discriminating against Christian families' civil rights. That's what it is.
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Jim | August 7, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Bob, what is the URL for JonT's blog?
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Anonygrl | August 7, 2010 at 1:32 pm
I am on facebook, as Vienna Hagen… I do not actually know how to find you, but feel free to come find me!
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Anonygrl | August 7, 2010 at 1:38 pm
OK… its late, but here we go… would you like another installment of…
Tonight On the Nom Bus – (scene number goes here)
Louis is poking away at the computer. Maggie has cleaned up a bit, washed the mud off, but she still only has one shoe. She stand with her arms folded, tapping her foot, watching the door. After a bit, Brian comes slinking in, like a teenage caught out after curfew.
Maggie: Ahem.
Brian says nothing, goes to a chair and sits, looking dejected.
Maggie: I said Ahem.
Brian: (finally looking at her) Yes Maggie? (He tries to put on a fake smile).
Maggie: Atlanta? Georgia? 71% of the state voted against gay marriage, you had a relative of Martin Luther King, Jr. and you couldn't raise more than 16 people???
Louis: Fifteen.
Maggie: What?
Louis: (not looking up from the keyboard) The Atlanta Journal-Constitution says we had 15 people today. They have pictures.
Maggie: Yeah?? Well the NOM TOUR TRACKERS gave us 16 and today, I'll TAKE IT!
Brian: Calm down Maggie.
Maggie: Calm down? CALM DOWN? We knew things were going to be a little dicey for us in the northeast, which is why we STARTED there. You ASSURED me we would pick up bigger numbers when we hit the RED states… Now we are in the SOUTH, the BASTION of conservative Christianity, we paid through the NOSE for a speaker whose very NAME should have brought them out in droves, and somehow, SOMEHOW the gays, who YOU TOLD ME would be fearful of even being out on the STREETS in this part of the world, turned out a crowd that was FIFTEEN TIMES BIGGER THAN OURS.
Brian: Well, I know… but…
Maggie: This 2 Million 4 Marriage idea was supposed to work in OUR favor. If it continues like this, they are going to get 30 million supporters out of it, and we are going to be LYNCHED!
Louis: (to himself) Yep… 2M4M. (he absentmindedly pats one of the signs stacked behind him that says "2 Million 4 Marriage.") Hey… whatever happened to…
Maggie: Shut up Louis! All right, Brian. We have given you EVERY advantage we can for the next stop. Florida, for god's sake. At a church. In a different CITY to throw off the protesters. If you can't make THIS one work, I am seriously considering revoking your membership in the "we are able to procreate naturally" club.
Louis: (perks up, slightly intrigued by this) You are going to make him gay?
Maggie: No, Louis, I am just going to remove some of the necessary equipment. (She turns on Brian, who has subtly put his hands over the equipment she is threatening to remove) Give me your hotel key.
Brian: What? No.
Maggie: Listen, I am not even supposed to BE here right now. But I am going back to the hotel and going to get some sleep. You can sleep on the bus!
She holds out her hand, and Brian moves one hand gingerly to his pocket, gets the key, and gives it to her. She stomps out, slamming the door behind her. Brian continues to cover the family jewels, afraid she might return. After a minute, Louis gives a low whistle.
Louis: Wow. (he is looking at something on the computer)
Brian: What is it?
Louis: Did you know… I mean… wow.
Brian: (a little more curious, still holding his hands low) What have you got, Louis.
Louis: (just like a 12 year old who has discovered porn… or perhaps just like Louis who has discovered porn) I went to look and see whatever happened to our 2M4M idea. Did you KNOW what that really means?
Brian: Well, yeah… that is why we changed it….
Louis: Yeah! Well, I found PICTURES…. (he trails off, and clicks through the pictures, dumbfounded) I didn't know you could DO that….
Brian sidles over to peer over Louis shoulder.
Brian: Wow. (Louis keeps clicking. After a few pictures…) Wait… go back to that one.
Louis keeps clicking. Eventually he finds a video, and we hear the "Bawm chicka bow-wow!" porn music, and three male voices moaning and making muffled "Oh yeah… so big.." type comments. Brian and Louis stare at the screen.
Fade to black
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Anonygrl | August 7, 2010 at 1:40 pm
No, Chris, let's be serious for a second in our goofiness, just to make sure people understand this rather important point.
The Christian FAITH does no such thing. Some CHRISTIANS do. HUGE difference.
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Richard A. Walter (s | August 7, 2010 at 1:40 pm
I can send a friend suggestion, since both of you are on my FB list.
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Jim | August 7, 2010 at 1:47 pm
Does anyone remember this ad?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdvWUEUQDfE
I'd love to see this go viral again.
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Richard A. Walter (s | August 7, 2010 at 1:49 pm
STANDING O!!!! Anonygrl, you just hit another one out of the park! Oh, wait, maybe this one went out of the atmosphere!
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Richard A. Walter (s | August 7, 2010 at 1:52 pm
So would I.
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Kathleen | August 7, 2010 at 1:57 pm
What campaign was this from? I never saw it.
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Felyx | August 7, 2010 at 2:03 pm
As always the slight addition…
…Brian and Louis stare at the screen.
Louis: You know I'm not gay, Brian… but if I was…
snicker
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Richard A. Walter (s | August 7, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Or is it:
Brian: Louis, you know I'm not gay…but if I was…..
fade to black
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Anonygrl | August 7, 2010 at 2:10 pm
WAIT for it, gentlemen…..
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Dpeck | August 7, 2010 at 2:13 pm
I really love Anongrls 'On the Bus" episodes. And the new, uh, emerging subplot between Brian and Louis is a real cliffhanger : )
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Josiah | August 7, 2010 at 2:38 pm
Thanks, anonygirl.
—Josiah
(straight, white, male Christian LGBTQ ally and supporter of marriage equality)
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Lee | August 7, 2010 at 2:49 pm
I live in West Virginia. Every town is a small town. They're supposed to be coming to our capital city (if you want to call it a "city") at a date "to be announced" according to the schedule you posted. I wonder if they'll even have 2 people show up, let alone 20…
People don't get riled up or excited one way or another about much around here. The churches are fanatical but they're more about "the end is near" than "gay = sin." I expect it to be the emptiest of the empty. Though I do also wonder if any gay marriage supporters are doing to check it out, too, just because of how folks just tend to shrug at everything. Billy Joel comes to my town (erm, second largest "city" in the state, Huntington) to eat at his allegedly beloved "Jim's Spaghetti House," and nobody cares. I mean, he's no Justin Bieber but still, most people would want to meet or take a picture of a legend like him, right? Not around here…
I've wanted to swing by Target, too, to see if anyone's protesting, but I figure people don't know anything about it. Our biggest news is the weather, and it's either flooding or flooding we're concerned about.
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Josiah | August 7, 2010 at 2:55 pm
On a lighter note, check out this perspective from the Onion.
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Mark M. (Seattle) | August 7, 2010 at 3:01 pm
OVER THE WALL AND OUT OF THE PARK!!!
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Kathleen | August 7, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Hi Lee. Glad you dropped by. They've updated their info and are now saying they'll be in Charleston Aug 11 http://www.marriagetour2010.com/tour/charleston-w…
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Anonygrl | August 7, 2010 at 3:02 pm
From NOM's website:
Summer for Marriage Tour Stop:
Wednesday, August 11, 2010 from 12:00pm – 1:00pm
State Capitol, Kanawha Blvd. Steps
Charleston, WV 25305
From FreedomtoMarry's website:
On Wednesday August 11th, Fairness WV is hosting an inclusive, family-friendly picnic (with free food and drink) event near the statehouse! The picnic starts at noon at the Living Aids Memorial Garden in Charleston.
WHAT: Family Picnic
WHEN: Wednesday, August 11th 12noon – 1:30pm
WHERE: Living Aids Memorial Garden Corner of Washington St. and Sidney Ave Charleston, WV 25339
So there you go!
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Dpeck | August 7, 2010 at 3:03 pm
It's Saturday evening and I'm feeling reflective.
Remember Tuesday morning? Before the announcement that the ruling would happen the following day? Doesn't it seem like that was a really long time ago? So much has happened in the last four days.
Wednesday I was right here with all of you guys when we got the good news. Actually, I was at work, trying to concentrate for a couple more hours before I could get out of the office and drive up to SF.
Then the big celebration in the Castro Wednesday evening, and the march from there to City Hall, then back to the Castro for more celebrating into the evening. Then back to work on Thursday, and finding out I had scored the last ticket to hear David Boies speak that evening. Driving back to SF that evening for an event I will never forget. Then Friday evening finally catching up with all of my friends and going out to dinner. The whole restaurant was packed and every table was excitedly talking about the ruling. And this morning, back to the Castro for my regular Saturday morning get-together with more friends, and then spending some time sitting in the Castro Plaza reading all about the trial news in the paper. All day, everyone who passed by was smiling and talking about the ruling. You can feel the energy in the air. It's true that it's not over yet, and we don't know the decision about the stay, but nevertheless everything just feels different here already. More optimism. More happiness.
I usually have some kind of point that I'm hoping to make with my posts, but tonight I just wanted to 'talk' to you guys and tell you how it feels out here in the bay area after everything that has happened since Wednesday. It sure feels good.
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AndrewPDX | August 7, 2010 at 3:03 pm
It isn't the Christian faith that's harmful… it's the Christians-In-Name-Only themselves.
Love,
Andrew
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AndrewPDX | August 7, 2010 at 3:08 pm
ROFL! I can't wait to see it on the big screen… I don't care what I have to pawn, I'm gonna be at the (west) Hollywood premiere!
Love,
Andrew
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Kathleen | August 7, 2010 at 3:10 pm
And glad you did. I love chatting with friends — one of my favorite things to do.
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AndrewPDX | August 7, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Good ad!
How do we get it to go viral?
Love,
Andrew
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Mark M. (Seattle) | August 7, 2010 at 3:13 pm
LOVED IT!!
Thanks for that
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AndrewPDX | August 7, 2010 at 3:14 pm
OMG! That is hilarious!
Love,
Andrew
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Anonygrl | August 7, 2010 at 3:16 pm
Yes indeed! And I wish I could have been THERE when this happened… I am going to have to make due with Washington. But I felt like I was there, because you all were HERE.
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Mark M. (Seattle) | August 7, 2010 at 3:16 pm
That was nice Dave…always great to catch up with a friend
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Jim | August 7, 2010 at 3:21 pm
I don't remember. It was a couple years ago. It was based on another one from Ireland: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ULdaSrYGLQ
I've never tried to make something viral before. Maybe start by alerting Perez Hilton. He's good at generating buzz.
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Mark M. (Seattle) | August 7, 2010 at 3:25 pm
hehehehehehe
I had logged in from another computer and it had me listed by one of my Yahoo IDs….RikerBear is actually me
The husbear Robert isn't much into blogs/chat sites and such….but he gets all the highlights from here through me…I never shut up about all this. LOL
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Josiah | August 7, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Now that would be a real threat to the institution of marriage as it exists in the United States!
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Mark M. (Seattle) | August 7, 2010 at 3:27 pm
hehehehehehe
And now the poor dear is nearly bald LOL
He does an awesome Dr. Evil LOL
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Mark M. (Seattle) | August 7, 2010 at 3:30 pm
hehehehehehe
And yes we dared wear white!
LOL
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Mark M. (Seattle) | August 7, 2010 at 4:02 pm
Thanks for saying that Andrew
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Bob | August 7, 2010 at 5:08 pm
Felyx, and Jim, please go up to the second post on this thread, by JonT,,, click his name the bogsite will appear, he has done a great job of starting a place to tell the stories of those who have died,
anyone else, please have a read and make some suggestions of how we can honor those who have died as a result of fear and hatred towards LGBT people, we need to telll the stories of the chldren,
I know little Roy wants a voice, and his story told,
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Sheryl | August 7, 2010 at 5:54 pm
Alright, a picnic. I've been thinking that would be a good way to show whatever supporters show up to a NOM rally just how "normal" the LGBT community is. Wish they were coming to California.
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Michael | August 7, 2010 at 7:13 pm
It doesn't matter if it's 20, 56, 80 or 100–that's nothing! Radical anti-gay activist Louis is a liar just like the entire rotten cast at the shrill antii-gay pressure group NOM are liars. And they can't stop. When they are caught in lies, they tell more lies to cover their original lies. The fact of the matter is that we will eventually have marriage equality in all 50 states and militants like Louis can do nothing about it. Time is on OUR side and we WILL win, no matter how long it takes and it won't' take that long. And militant anti-gay activists can explain it to Jesus when He blocks entrance to Heaven for them on Judgment Day. (Gnashing of teeth, anyone?)
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Rick | August 7, 2010 at 7:44 pm
So what's happened to the police presence at the last few stops? Was NO-M getting in legal trouble for making cops profile people before allowing entrance to their private party on tax-payer funded courtyards?
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Ronnie | August 7, 2010 at 8:48 pm
ROFL……”dejected”…..good word, Anonygrl…..<3…Ronnie
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Straight Grandmother | August 7, 2010 at 9:37 pm
I for one an totally in support of humiliating NOM every single chance we get, Hi Louis!. And it is a sweet pleasure how many chances we are getting. The only time they get any type of turnout is when they have a rally in a church parking lot and even then it is a pathetic anemic showing and lackluster boring rally. I noticed that they have hit on the idea of inviting the, what is is called, Concerned Women for America to speak. These women are really wacko.
In the heart of the deep fundamentalist Baptist south they muster 16 supporters, to hear that wacko Alveda King speak absolute nonsense. is she a whack job or what?
Truth be told denegrating NOM gives me a boost, I'm not gonna lie. I seriously seriously doubt that they ahve 700,000 members like they claim. Look how thye inflate the number of attendees at thier ralies, you know they are puffing up their membership numbers as well, they gotta be.
Another poster here said it best, "NOM, National Organization of Morons" It is so easy to make fun of them, and the reason we are able to, is because Courage Campaign had the foresight to send out a team to track them.
Let's all enjoy this moment while we can, soon their tour will be over with, they will go back under cover.
I'm really surprised Maggie didn't stop this tour earlier.
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paulo | August 7, 2010 at 11:01 pm
80 people? Give them the eighty out of pity and then STILL laugh at them,
Here in Rochester NY we turned out between 75 and 100 people on less than a days notice to celebrate the verdict in the Prop 8 trial. If we can do that with short notice how can they claim any backing at all with weeks of advance planning and gobs of money?
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Nathan | August 7, 2010 at 11:24 pm
We can help make this video go viral by getting the video on the Youtube main page. When a video like this or one from EqualityOnTrial appears, we all need to like, favorite and comment on each video. For example, the Alveda King interview has 300 views but only 3 likes and 16 comments. If we start doing these things and getting our friends to do the same, we might could get the videos on one of Youtube's browse pages, which will result in more viewers. Right now, I fear that these videos are only being seen by people who are actively looking for these videos, and they most likely already have their minds made up about the ssm issue :-/
Just a suggestion ^_^
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Sagesse | August 7, 2010 at 11:28 pm
I must have missed this, but here is BB's article from the SF Chronicle.
Americans will fight for right to vote for marriage
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/…
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Sagesse | August 7, 2010 at 11:34 pm
Today''s edition of 'fair and balanced'
Prop. 8 judge makes strange charge
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/…
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Sagesse | August 7, 2010 at 11:36 pm
The SF Chronicle is presenting both sides, not sure whether the # of articles balances evenly.
Gay marriage revealed the worth of my own
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/…
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Sagesse | August 7, 2010 at 11:46 pm
The SF Chronicle Editorial, the day after
Equality wins in Vaughn Walker's Prop. 8 ruling
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/…
This ran the same day as Maggie's op ed. They give time to the Prop 8 side, but also to marriage equality supporters.
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Sagesse | August 7, 2010 at 11:49 pm
Shoots down the 'will of the people', 'activist judge' arguments, neatly, one by one
THE PROPOSITION 8 RULING
One judge vs. 7 million voters?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/…
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Tony Douglass in Ca | August 8, 2010 at 12:38 am
Good morning Sagesse, thanks for the Sunday morning news!!
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Anonygrl | August 8, 2010 at 1:26 am
ROTFL!
Louis is now setting himself up to be an INTERVIEWER. He interviewed Alveda King (and it is about what you would expect… he asked the talking points, she really didn't give much by way of coherent answers). It's on his blog. My response…
Louis, Louis, Louis… if you really want to be on our side, come over here and JOIN us. No need to skulk over there just imitating us and trying to play like you ARE us. Crying that we are intolerant to YOU? Claiming that YOU are defending civil rights when your sole aim is to prevent US from marrying? So far, about all you HAVEN'T done is tried to claim that opposite sex marriage IS marriage equality… oh, no… wait… you tried that…
I love you, Louis… really I do. Few on EITHER side of the argument have been so helpful to our cause as you have. And now you are going to try to steal another of our "tactics" and become an interviewer. So let me give you a few tips.
1) If you have to put the "reasoning" for a question down after you've asked it, you have either asked it badly, or your interviewee has not answered it well. Try this, instead. Ask the question you mean to ask, and if you don't get a clear answer, restate the original question better and try again. Arisha has done this well, in trying to get Brian to answer a question. Study her. Learn from her.
2) Listen to what your interviewee says. Respond to what she says. When you don't get an answer (and you didn't, for any of the questions you actually asked), ask a follow up to get to an answer. Otherwise, you might just as well say "Here is a microphone. Please talk about something, I will be back in a few minutes to collect the microphone."
3) Try asking some interesting questions that pertain directly to your subject. Instead of sticking just to your talking points, find something personal about them to ask about, otherwise you might just as well say "Here is a list of what we believe in. Please speak about that. I'll be back in a few minutes to collect the microphone." Arisha asked Alveda some questions about her experiences and got back some telling responses.
4) And this is a biggie… try not to be biased in your questions. Ask a question in a neutral way (that is, without the slant your "reasoning" statements contain) and let your subject answer it however they will. Don't let them avoid the question, but don't lead them by the hand to the answer you are looking for. Listen to what they actually DO answer. You will get MUCH better material that way. Look to Arisha's interview of your supporter Larry for a classic example of this principle.
However, if you do want your subject to give you only the answers you want… several suggestions. Get them the study materials early so they can learn them better than Alveda did, pick a subject who is a better off the cuff speaker, and shoot for one who is actually a good speaker, rather than one who simply has famous relatives (who disagree with her position anyway).
Bless your heart, Louis!
Good luck with future interviews.
Oh, and if you need help thinking of questions to ask, come over and let us help you out… we have HUNDREDS of people brainstorming this stuff, as you know.
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Ray in MA | August 8, 2010 at 2:21 am
We Gotta GO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx-8_GI4d2c
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Ray in MA | August 8, 2010 at 2:24 am
Maybe some of you young'ns don't remember this?
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Alan E. | August 8, 2010 at 2:26 am
Hi Lee. I'm from West Virginia, and so is Richard Walter. In fact, we are both from St. Albans (different generations though) just outside of Charleston.
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Joe | August 8, 2010 at 2:56 am
He went on for a number of pages on the reasons why Blankenhorn's testimony had no weight, citing exact cases why. It's pretty damning.
I loved the fact that two of the witnesses they that the Prop 8 side didn't call, supposedly because of threats to them if the trial was televised (which it was not) was then reintroduced by the plaintiffs. One testified that homosexuality was completely natural and unchangeable. The other testified that same sex marriage had been in quite a number of cultures and religions and had been so for thousands of years.
They didn't submit those witnesses not because of such theoretical threats to their person. They didn't submit them because they were damning to their case!
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Kathleen | August 8, 2010 at 2:56 am
Here's what NOM's marriage tour has done for me: I used to read these whiny rants of Brian's, in which he portrays himself and his supporters as the victims, and I would get angry. Now I mostly just shrug my shoulders. He's just a mean-spirited bigot who knows he's on the wrong side of history and that it's only a matter of time until the average person walking down the street will view his message in much the same way they now do the Klan's.
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Kathleen | August 8, 2010 at 2:58 am
This comment was meant to follow the link to Brian Brown's piece.
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Joe | August 8, 2010 at 3:01 am
There's one enormous problem I have with that. Well, for one thing, it's the Southern Strategy, which Republicans used blacks as the boogieman to fear southern whites from voting solidly Democratic now vote solidly Republican. They continue to use it today, saying the Mexicans are all gonna make you speak Spanish, or the gays will turn Main Street into Castro Street.
But no, the problem I have with it is that the very definition of a minority is that means you're outnumbered by another group. There simply is no logical way that can happen.
But no one ever said fear was based in logic.
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Joe | August 8, 2010 at 3:03 am
When the facts are on your side, pound the facts. When the law is on your side, pound the law. When you have neither, pound the table.
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Kathleen | August 8, 2010 at 3:11 am
AGAIN! This article relies on just the sort of outdated notions of marriage that Walker says no longer apply:
Without marriage, men often would be uncertain about paternity or indifferent to it. If left unchecked, many men would have little incentive to invest in the rearing of their offspring, and the ensuing irresponsibility would have made the development of civilization impossible.
It's certainly true that one of the functions of subjugating women in marriage was to control her sexual behavior. In the days before scientific paternity tests, it was about the only option available to her husband to be reasonably certain that the child was of his 'seed.'
I'm reminded of Beyond Power: On Women, Men, and Morals by Marilyn French. (As an aside, I really need to re-read this book to see if it speaks to me in the same way now that I'm an almost 60-year old as it did when I was a 30-something.)
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fiona64 | August 8, 2010 at 3:27 am
I'm originally from Oregon. Believe me, you cannot live in the Pacific Northwest and fail to know this song (including the actual words).
True story: my friend and fellow equality activist, Rashas, still lives up there, and she was also involved with the (now defunct) NXNW music festival — similar to Austin's SXSW. Anyway, she was assigned to go pick up this guy, Jack Ely, from the ranch where he trains horses so that he could speak on one of the panels.
She's not familiar with the name, so she asks him his connection to the PDX music scene.
He was the lead vocalist of The Kingsmen — the singer for the almost completely incomprehensible version of "Louie, Louie" most familiar to people. And he told her the story of *why.*
He was 17 years old when The Kingsmen recorded "Louie Louie" — and he had just had his braces tightened. He could barely move his jaws, and they still had to make the recording or lose the money they had put up for studio time.
So, there you have it.
Love,
Fiona
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Kathleen | August 8, 2010 at 4:48 am
More brilliance form the keyboard of Anonygirl. Smooches. xoxo
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Kathleen | August 8, 2010 at 4:58 am
…two of the witnesses that the Prop 8 side didn’t call, … then reintroduced by the plaintiffs
You can see excerpts of their videotaped depositions at the Court's website – PX2544 and PX2546: https://ecf.cand.uscourts.gov/cand/09cv2292/evide…
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Ann S. | August 8, 2010 at 5:30 am
@Sagesse and Kathleen, this column in my Sunday editorial section is what brought me to the computer. Do you see where he rants about a prior 1971 SCOTUS case that was "identical"?? What the frack is he talking about??
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Ann S. | August 8, 2010 at 5:46 am
@Sagesse and Kathleen, he was talking about Baker v. Nelson (should have at least googled a bit before my last post): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_v._Nelson
According to Wikipedia, "the Minnesota Supreme Court ruled that Minnesota law limited marriage to opposite-sex couples and that this limitation did not violate the United States Constitution. The plaintiffs appealed, and on October 10, 1972 the United States Supreme Court dismissed the appeal "for want of a substantial federal question." Because the case came to the federal Supreme Court through mandatory appellate review (not certiorari), the summary dismissal constituted a decision on the merits and established Baker v. Nelson as controlling precedent."
I will try to research further. Do you remember this being cited in the ruling?
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Kathleen | August 8, 2010 at 5:55 am
I think it was cited – could be wrong – but I definitely know about the case. I think it was the first lawsuit to challenge denial of same sex couples' rights to marriage.
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Ann S. | August 8, 2010 at 5:58 am
I just opened my PDF copy of the case and did a search — I don't find it.
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Ray in MA | August 8, 2010 at 6:03 am
Thanx for the info Fiona… I'm always learning here!
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Kathleen | August 8, 2010 at 6:14 am
Sorry. I meant I thought it was cited in the parties' briefs.
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Kathleen | August 8, 2010 at 6:21 am
Here's one place it's cited in a brief. I'm sure there are others, but I'd have to go through them to find it: http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-cou…
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Ann S. | August 8, 2010 at 6:31 am
Kathleen, thanks for that link. I'm afraid I haven't read the briefs and, alas, I can't open that link for some reason.
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Kathleen | August 8, 2010 at 6:39 am
I tried linking directly to the readable view of one of the pdf files – maybe there's a problem doing that. If you want to tackle the task, the briefs are mostly available from Justia: http://tinyurl.com/25d6jch
If any of the documents aren't complete (a common problem w/Justia), let me know and I'll get them for you.
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Richard A. Walter (s | August 8, 2010 at 7:29 am
Lee, You mean they have changed it? Originally it was supposed to be in Charlestown on Wednesday, but the location was still up in the air. Where in WV are you? I grew up in St. Albans, and was born at Thomas Memorial on MacCorkle Avenue in South Charleston. If you are on FB look me up.
@Dazed Wheels. I got your message. Will be replying shortly.
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Richard A. Walter (s | August 8, 2010 at 7:33 am
This is another video I will have to show BZ! This is HILARIOUS!
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Richard A. Walter (s | August 8, 2010 at 8:19 am
Yes, Bob. I have an idea on how we can honor and remember Baby Roy and all the others who have died due to homophobia. Go to the Matthew Shepherd Foundation and sign up for email and cell phone notifications, and for those who are able donate either time or money. This is the organization established by Matthew's mother Jean to fight back against the hatred and damage that homophobia causes, and this is the organization that was instrumental in the passage of the Shepherd Byrd federal Hate Crimes law. The primary focus is on fighting homophobia, but they actually fight against all forms of hatred.
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Richard A. Walter (s | August 8, 2010 at 8:38 am
@Straight Grandmother: that is because she is too stubborn to cut her losses and go home. To her, this tour is EVERYTHING, and to stop it before the last stop is completed would be a very PUBLIC ADMISSION OF DEFEAT, and she cannot accept that. Of course, there is also the fact that with every stop, NOM gets more fodder for their spin "doctor" Louis. And he's really not even that good with spin. After all, when you attempt to be a spin doctor, you normally have at least enough talent to make it believable.
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Bob | August 8, 2010 at 8:49 am
Thanks Richard, Jean would be an excellent person to have speak at one of these counter protests (for the children), bet she could draw a crowd, and media, but she probably costs too much?//
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Richard A. Walter (s | August 8, 2010 at 9:05 am
Ray, I remember it! And I really wish Louis and Company would reflect on that song and GO HOME! Why can't they leave the adults alone and let us get married? It wouldn't hurt their marriages one little bit, unless their marriages are so weak that anything at all would hurt them.
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Richard A. Walter (s | August 8, 2010 at 9:22 am
He's from Virginia. It is to be expected.
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Lee | August 8, 2010 at 12:33 pm
I'm in Huntington, an hour from Charleston. Are you guys going?
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Lee | August 8, 2010 at 12:57 pm
Okay, the link didn't show. Let me trying again…
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Richard A. Walter (s | August 8, 2010 at 1:00 pm
Just sent you a friend request.
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Lee | August 8, 2010 at 1:05 pm
Gotcha! That should NOT have been so difficult. haha
Okay, I've got a gay friend in Charleston. I'll text him tomorrow and ask if he'd go with me, and if he will (but I kind of doubt he would, since he's ten times more closeted than even me, and a Christian) then I'll go for sure.
127.
Alan E. | August 8, 2010 at 2:43 pm
@Lee, I think you should go regardless. You don't have to necessarily out yourself, but any supportive messaging would be more than welcome! Plus, if you start chatting away with other people at the rally, you will find a lot more supporters that you can possibly find personal support from. It only takes once to be your first time. The way this has been going, I'm sure you will have a fantastic time! And you can always say that you did it, have your own story to tell.
128. More from #NOMTurnoutFAIL&hellip | August 8, 2010 at 4:02 pm
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Richard A. Walter (soon to be Walter-Jernigan) | August 8, 2010 at 7:37 pm
I wish we could. But we will be in Raleigh on Tuesday. BZ will be in his rabbinical gear, and I am working on our yarmulkes for it. Those will be white with the family colors either in a band around the bottom edge or in a star of David on the crown, depending on which way I can get to work best. Are you on facebook?
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Lee | August 8, 2010 at 7:54 pm
I kinda want to go, and I’m kinda scared. I’m not out and I’ve never been to or seen a rally or anything. If they so much as gave me a dirty look I’d probably break down crying. T_T My partner and I would also have to both miss work, too.
Excuses, excuses. XD Maybe I’ll just buy some damn poster board and markers and surprise myself. =P
I am on FB but don’t use it much. See if the link I attached works.
I tried posting this and it didn’t work. *second attempt* Sorry if it multi-posts and spams the page.
131.
Lee | August 8, 2010 at 7:57 pm
For the love of… XD
LINK
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Lee | August 9, 2010 at 1:49 am
I'm considering. Definitely not going without my partner, who wants to go but has a hard time getting out of work. We'll see…
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Wayne | August 10, 2010 at 2:13 am
Currently, the state passes laws "regulating" marriage and no religion can marry anyone who lacks such a license. Religions should be free not only to require the state's license, but also to adopt whatever additional rules they wish. Catholics should be free to marry only blonds if they wish, but all religions should keep their asses out of the Courthouse!
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Richard A. Walter (s | August 10, 2010 at 10:15 am
According to NOM, that is not part of the Constitution, so they son't have to do that. They claim that this is just something we made up, and they try to distort this further into saying that we don't even want to allow them to speak in the public square, which is all a bunch of hooey! We don't care if they want to speak in the public square, we just want them to stay out of the legal code.
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