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	<title>Comments on: Liveblogging Day 11: Part IV</title>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2010/01/26/liveblogging-day-11-part-iv/#comment-207592</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;DB: I do not believe that anti same sex marriage is a symptom of homophobia. Homophobia is present in our society and many others around the world. I regret and deplore it and wish it to go away.&quot; 
 
You guys, I hate racism so much! I wish racism would disappear! That&#039;s why I oppose interracial marriage, &#039;cause that&#039;s totally not racist at all. 
 
&quot;I am not able to find any evidence that animus toward gay and lesbian people or hatefulness of homosexual persons is why they justified their participation in the marital institutions.&quot; 
 
Okay, here&#039;s a little hint. Those people who stood outside gay couples&#039; weddings holding signs that said &quot;God hates fags&quot;? I would say that probably counts as evidence of &quot;hatefulness of homosexual persons.&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;DB: I do not believe that anti same sex marriage is a symptom of homophobia. Homophobia is present in our society and many others around the world. I regret and deplore it and wish it to go away.&quot; </p>
<p>You guys, I hate racism so much! I wish racism would disappear! That&#039;s why I oppose interracial marriage, &#039;cause that&#039;s totally not racist at all. </p>
<p>&quot;I am not able to find any evidence that animus toward gay and lesbian people or hatefulness of homosexual persons is why they justified their participation in the marital institutions.&quot; </p>
<p>Okay, here&#039;s a little hint. Those people who stood outside gay couples&#039; weddings holding signs that said &quot;God hates fags&quot;? I would say that probably counts as evidence of &quot;hatefulness of homosexual persons.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Ed-M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed-M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JohnInSF: 
 
Exactly. They are angry at us for giving lie to their &quot;truth&quot; by our lives, and want to eliminate us. Globally. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JohnInSF: </p>
<p>Exactly. They are angry at us for giving lie to their &quot;truth&quot; by our lives, and want to eliminate us. Globally.</p>
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		<title>By: James Sweet</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Sweet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;DB: The affected dimension of marriage in many societies is negligible. Many where most are arranged or governed by kin groups. Many societies in which affective dimension is not true.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
Holy crap, they &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; arguing that arranged marriage is better!  Well, at least this guy&#039;s consistent.  He probably wants to go back to women-as-property too... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>DB: The affected dimension of marriage in many societies is negligible. Many where most are arranged or governed by kin groups. Many societies in which affective dimension is not true.</p></blockquote>
<p>Holy crap, they <i>are</i> arguing that arranged marriage is better!  Well, at least this guy&#039;s consistent.  He probably wants to go back to women-as-property too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: James Sweet</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Sweet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Only one institution that brings together social, biological and legal.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
Apparently Blankenhorn has not read the statistics on what percentage of children were not fathered by their nominal &quot;father&quot; -- often unbeknownst even to the mother. 
 
I would argue on the contrary that, as regards children, the real value of marriage is that it &lt;i&gt;supplants&lt;/i&gt; the rather tricky (maybe impossible) matter of trying to align the social and the biological, and instead focuses on aligning supporting the social with the legal, i.e. de-emphasizing the biological since it can be so controversial and (until very recently in human history) difficult or impossible to determine. 
 
Ignoring same-sex marriage for the moment, one of the big benefits -- to children -- of heterosexual marriage is that it helps take some of the question marks out of social paternity.  How many untold millions of children were able to grow up in stable two-parent households &lt;i&gt;because&lt;/i&gt; marriage is blind to biology, rather than in spite of it?!!!! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Only one institution that brings together social, biological and legal.</p></blockquote>
<p>Apparently Blankenhorn has not read the statistics on what percentage of children were not fathered by their nominal &quot;father&quot; &#8212; often unbeknownst even to the mother. </p>
<p>I would argue on the contrary that, as regards children, the real value of marriage is that it <i>supplants</i> the rather tricky (maybe impossible) matter of trying to align the social and the biological, and instead focuses on aligning supporting the social with the legal, i.e. de-emphasizing the biological since it can be so controversial and (until very recently in human history) difficult or impossible to determine. </p>
<p>Ignoring same-sex marriage for the moment, one of the big benefits &#8212; to children &#8212; of heterosexual marriage is that it helps take some of the question marks out of social paternity.  How many untold millions of children were able to grow up in stable two-parent households <i>because</i> marriage is blind to biology, rather than in spite of it?!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: James Sweet</title>
		<link>http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2010/01/26/liveblogging-day-11-part-iv/#comment-207588</link>
		<dc:creator>James Sweet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;CC: Future of Marriage book, now. 
... 
CC: Well reviewed? 
DB: Not as widely reviewed as other, but got me invited to public speaking. I argued that we should not have same sex marriage. Got me invited to discussions with proponents of same sex marriage.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
Translation:  The critics hated it, but it sho&#039; did pander to the culture warriors, yes sir! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>CC: Future of Marriage book, now.<br />
&#8230;<br />
CC: Well reviewed?<br />
DB: Not as widely reviewed as other, but got me invited to public speaking. I argued that we should not have same sex marriage. Got me invited to discussions with proponents of same sex marriage.</p></blockquote>
<p>Translation:  The critics hated it, but it sho&#039; did pander to the culture warriors, yes sir!</p>
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		<title>By: Lymis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lymis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More than that, they claim by extension that childless marriages are bad for kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More than that, they claim by extension that childless marriages are bad for kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am not able to find any evidence that animus toward gay and lesbian people or hatefulness of homosexual persons is why they justified their participation in the marital institutions. I am not saying that no such evidence exists. If such evidence exists, I want to know it. I’m telling you I have looked for it and I cannot find it.&quot;

MORON!!!!!!!! LGBT people are denied marriage because they are GAY!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am not able to find any evidence that animus toward gay and lesbian people or hatefulness of homosexual persons is why they justified their participation in the marital institutions. I am not saying that no such evidence exists. If such evidence exists, I want to know it. I’m telling you I have looked for it and I cannot find it.&#8221;</p>
<p>MORON!!!!!!!! LGBT people are denied marriage because they are GAY!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Harwick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray Harwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blankhorn:  &quot;I am not saying that no such evidence exists. If such evidence exists, I want to know it. I’m telling you I have looked for it and I cannot find it.&quot;

David Boies will be up in a minute to show you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blankhorn:  &#8220;I am not saying that no such evidence exists. If such evidence exists, I want to know it. I’m telling you I have looked for it and I cannot find it.&#8221;</p>
<p>David Boies will be up in a minute to show you.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judging by the defense&#039;s current definition of the word &quot;expert,&quot; I would say you are more than qualified!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judging by the defense&#8217;s current definition of the word &#8220;expert,&#8221; I would say you are more than qualified!</p>
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		<title>By: Steffi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steffi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait...

No peer reviewed articles on the subject? only 50 citations/ references respectively? and (if I understood correctly) only a master&#039;s dregree? 
are they for real?
I mean REALLY????
WTF....
*shaking hdas disbelievingly*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait&#8230;</p>
<p>No peer reviewed articles on the subject? only 50 citations/ references respectively? and (if I understood correctly) only a master&#8217;s dregree?<br />
are they for real?<br />
I mean REALLY????<br />
WTF&#8230;.<br />
*shaking hdas disbelievingly*</p>
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