Comments on: New York Times on SCOTUS ruling: “Sad example of the quashing of public discourse” http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2010/01/14/new-york-times-on-scotus-ruling-sad-example-of-the-quashing-of-public-discourse/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=new-york-times-on-scotus-ruling-sad-example-of-the-quashing-of-public-discourse Perry v. Schwarzenegger: Tracking the right-wing Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:17:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: stephanie lynn http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2010/01/14/new-york-times-on-scotus-ruling-sad-example-of-the-quashing-of-public-discourse/#comment-196072 stephanie lynn Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:56:45 +0000 http://prop8trialtracker.com/?p=462#comment-196072 <a href="http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15270992" rel="nofollow">http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displ...</a> http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displ…

]]> By: A.J. in Anaheim http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2010/01/14/new-york-times-on-scotus-ruling-sad-example-of-the-quashing-of-public-discourse/#comment-196071 A.J. in Anaheim Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:50:17 +0000 http://prop8trialtracker.com/?p=462#comment-196071 From today's Orange County Register's editorial on Marriage and the State, "It is too bad that the U.S. Supreme Court on Wednesday indefinitely blocked cameras from covering the trial, with the video being posted online. This would have allowed many more people to be exposed to detailed arguments, governed by courtroom standards regarding relevance to the legal issues at hand, than otherwise would be the case." From today's Orange County Register's editorial on Marriage and the State, "It is too bad that the U.S. Supreme Court on Wednesday indefinitely blocked cameras from covering the trial, with the video being posted online. This would have allowed many more people to be exposed to detailed arguments, governed by courtroom standards regarding relevance to the legal issues at hand, than otherwise would be the case."

]]> By: Steffi http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2010/01/14/new-york-times-on-scotus-ruling-sad-example-of-the-quashing-of-public-discourse/#comment-196070 Steffi Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:47:59 +0000 http://prop8trialtracker.com/?p=462#comment-196070 I read this tracker word by word every day and spread the happenings to anyone who would stand still long enough for me to report it here in Germany :D Today when being at the public swimming pool I told a friend very detailed all during our 1hour swimming time and loud enough for everyone else in there who want's to listen to understand what I am saying :) I notice a (very) slight change of awareness every day :D I read this tracker word by word every day and spread the happenings to anyone who would stand still long enough for me to report it here in Germany :D
Today when being at the public swimming pool I told a friend very detailed all during our 1hour swimming time and loud enough for everyone else in there who want's to listen to understand what I am saying :) I notice a (very) slight change of awareness every day :D

]]> By: Rene and Daryl http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2010/01/14/new-york-times-on-scotus-ruling-sad-example-of-the-quashing-of-public-discourse/#comment-196069 Rene and Daryl Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:22:59 +0000 http://prop8trialtracker.com/?p=462#comment-196069 <a href="http://www.montereyherald.com/breaking/ci_14191138?nclick_check=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.montereyherald.com/breaking/ci_1419113...</a> 10:38 a.m.: Trial is being taped, but only for judge's use With San Francisco's chief economist Edmund Egan still under cross-examination, Chief Judge Vaughn Walker has just taken the usual morning break. Walker, meanwhile, has officially put an end to to any prospects of the trial being broadcast on the Internet, informing the courtroom he is withdrawing the plan from the pilot program established in December by the 9th Circuit Judicial Council, the policy arm of the federal courts in the West. Proposition 8 lawyer Charles Cooper submitted a letter to the court asking that any taping of the trial be discontinued, but Walker rejected that request, saying he is permitted under court rules to videotape proceedings for his own use. He did assure Cooper, though, that it could not be "used for public broadcasting or televising." Cooper seemed satisfied with that restriction. From a practical standpoint, what it all means is that a videotape of the historic trial will exist for posterity. But nobody will be able to see it. http://www.montereyherald.com/breaking/ci_1419113…

10:38 a.m.: Trial is being taped, but only for judge's use

With San Francisco's chief economist Edmund Egan still under cross-examination, Chief Judge Vaughn Walker has just taken the usual morning break. Walker, meanwhile, has officially put an end to to any prospects of the trial being broadcast on the Internet, informing the courtroom he is withdrawing the plan from the pilot program established in December by the 9th Circuit Judicial Council, the policy arm of the federal courts in the West.

Proposition 8 lawyer Charles Cooper submitted a letter to the court asking that any taping of the trial be discontinued, but Walker rejected that request, saying he is permitted under court rules to videotape proceedings for his own use. He did assure Cooper, though, that it could not be "used for public broadcasting or televising." Cooper seemed satisfied with that restriction.

From a practical standpoint, what it all means is that a videotape of the historic trial will exist for posterity. But nobody will be able to see it.

]]> By: Tigger http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2010/01/14/new-york-times-on-scotus-ruling-sad-example-of-the-quashing-of-public-discourse/#comment-196068 Tigger Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:09:00 +0000 http://prop8trialtracker.com/?p=462#comment-196068 “The moment a mere numerical superiority by either states or voters in this country proceeds to ignore the needs and desires of the minority, and for their own selfish purpose or advancement, hamper or oppress that minority, or debar them in any way from equal privileges and equal rights — that moment will mark the failure of our constitutional system.” Franklin D. Roosevelt Brilliant find!! “The moment a mere numerical superiority by either states or voters in this country proceeds to ignore the needs and desires of the minority, and for their own selfish purpose or advancement, hamper or oppress that minority, or debar them in any way from equal privileges and equal rights — that moment will mark the failure of our constitutional system.”
Franklin D. Roosevelt

Brilliant find!!

]]> By: Paul http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2010/01/14/new-york-times-on-scotus-ruling-sad-example-of-the-quashing-of-public-discourse/#comment-196067 Paul Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:02:41 +0000 http://prop8trialtracker.com/?p=462#comment-196067 Why are we not marching to the various court houses demanding for us and everyone else to see the trial??? Why are we letting this get swept under the rug? Why isn't CC or EQCA leading us to do something to get the people to realize that the government is hiding something from them???? Why are we not marching to the various court houses demanding for us and everyone else to see the trial??? Why are we letting this get swept under the rug? Why isn't CC or EQCA leading us to do something to get the people to realize that the government is hiding something from them????

]]> By: Marlene Bomer http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2010/01/14/new-york-times-on-scotus-ruling-sad-example-of-the-quashing-of-public-discourse/#comment-196066 Marlene Bomer Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:44:41 +0000 http://prop8trialtracker.com/?p=462#comment-196066 Just remember, TB that one of the main tenets of the religious reicht is control. If you don't agree 1000% with what the minister is preaching (because *he* has a direct line to their patriarchal god!) then you're an apostate, and thus unlean in their eyes and not a *real* Christian! If you somehow watch, read, or listen to anything which the belief system is against (rock & roll, for example) you'll be tempted to stay from the narrow path to righteousness because you'll then start to learn to think for yourself, and thus are not a *true* Christian in their eyes! Just remember, TB that one of the main tenets of the religious reicht is control.

If you don't agree 1000% with what the minister is preaching (because *he* has a direct line to their patriarchal god!) then you're an apostate, and thus unlean in their eyes and not a *real* Christian!

If you somehow watch, read, or listen to anything which the belief system is against (rock & roll, for example) you'll be tempted to stay from the narrow path to righteousness because you'll then start to learn to think for yourself, and thus are not a *true* Christian in their eyes!

]]> By: SherylC http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2010/01/14/new-york-times-on-scotus-ruling-sad-example-of-the-quashing-of-public-discourse/#comment-196065 SherylC Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:08:40 +0000 http://prop8trialtracker.com/?p=462#comment-196065 I think the one (easy public access to the trial) does NOT imply the other (right to vote on the issue). Just because a person can observe something being done does not mean that person gets to vote on it. If the proceedings were broadcast, individuals could easily see the evidence that was used by the court as basis for its ruling. Transparency at its best. And it just might lead some anti-marriage people to reconsider their opinions/beliefs, regardless of the court's ruling. I think the one (easy public access to the trial) does NOT imply the other (right to vote on the issue). Just because a person can observe something being done does not mean that person gets to vote on it.

If the proceedings were broadcast, individuals could easily see the evidence that was used by the court as basis for its ruling. Transparency at its best. And it just might lead some anti-marriage people to reconsider their opinions/beliefs, regardless of the court's ruling.

]]> By: Tim http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2010/01/14/new-york-times-on-scotus-ruling-sad-example-of-the-quashing-of-public-discourse/#comment-196064 Tim Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:37:39 +0000 http://prop8trialtracker.com/?p=462#comment-196064 Of course, but here they usually set it aside from the transcription. It was pretty darn clear when Rick was transcribing what was going on the courtroom vs. which arguments outraged him or convinced him. Over there, there's no transcription, and everything turns into "plaintiff's expert said X which was so detrimental to their case!" or "plaintiff's expert said Y, a shocking statement that flies in the face of Christian religion!" I'm exaggerating, but you know what I mean; the difference is profound. Of course, but here they usually set it aside from the transcription. It was pretty darn clear when Rick was transcribing what was going on the courtroom vs. which arguments outraged him or convinced him.

Over there, there's no transcription, and everything turns into "plaintiff's expert said X which was so detrimental to their case!" or "plaintiff's expert said Y, a shocking statement that flies in the face of Christian religion!" I'm exaggerating, but you know what I mean; the difference is profound.

]]> By: J.P. http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2010/01/14/new-york-times-on-scotus-ruling-sad-example-of-the-quashing-of-public-discourse/#comment-196063 J.P. Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:35:33 +0000 http://prop8trialtracker.com/?p=462#comment-196063 it is as if they feel they will be "gay bashed" and now want to hide and go back in the "closet." well i have been gay bashed and am still an out proud gay man and would stand up to anyone for my beliefs. I am sorry but if you want everyone to live to your beliefs, but don't want to share them... BOO! it is as if they feel they will be "gay bashed" and now want to hide and go back in the "closet."

well i have been gay bashed and am still an out proud gay man and would stand up to anyone for my beliefs.

I am sorry but if you want everyone to live to your beliefs, but don't want to share them… BOO!

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