Comments on: Live Updates from the Courtroom II http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2010/01/11/live-updates-from-the-courtroom-ii/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=live-updates-from-the-courtroom-ii Perry v. Schwarzenegger: Tracking the right-wing Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:10:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Prop 8 Trial Real-time Twitter Feed - Gay Vantage http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2010/01/11/live-updates-from-the-courtroom-ii/#comment-194214 Prop 8 Trial Real-time Twitter Feed - Gay Vantage Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:12:52 +0000 http://prop8trialtracker.com/?p=112#comment-194214 [...] can also keep up via the Prop 8 Trial Tracker and Mercury News blog. Know your status? Click here and get tested for [...] [...] can also keep up via the Prop 8 Trial Tracker and Mercury News blog. Know your status? Click here and get tested for [...]

]]> By: Felicia Mallon http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2010/01/11/live-updates-from-the-courtroom-ii/#comment-194213 Felicia Mallon Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:48:54 +0000 http://prop8trialtracker.com/?p=112#comment-194213 ...or South Africa? All of these countries with same-sex marriage and yet we can't seem to be accepting enough to legalize it... …or South Africa?

All of these countries with same-sex marriage and yet we can't seem to be accepting enough to legalize it…

]]> By: Serena Patterson http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2010/01/11/live-updates-from-the-courtroom-ii/#comment-194212 Serena Patterson Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:28:12 +0000 http://prop8trialtracker.com/?p=112#comment-194212 A dispatch from Canada, from an ex-patriot American Lesbian-in-Exile. So many of us thought, 10 years ago, that the fight for marriage didn't matter; that it was "assimilating" to heterosexual norms, or that it was a marginal issue. In my own circle, most of those people, if they are coupled, are now married! Why? First, it's a rights thing-- there are specific rights that only marriage (not common-law, not domestic partnership) confers. As we get older, we need those rights. Second, if we have children, they need to have a way of talking about their families that communicates our-and their-equality. They need to feel, deep in their bones, that there is nothing inferior about the home and family where they are loved and brought up. Third, there has been a tremendous opening up of acceptance, and a growing consensus that open expression of bigotry against GLBT people is rude, if not deplorable. Our families now know other families with GLBT kids, and our partners get invited to reunions much more often. It's become matter-of-fact. Is that a good thing?? Well, OK, sometimes I miss being an exotic creature; the most radical family on the block. But not very often. There are other, more fun ways to be radical in your neighbors' eyes, than being the object of a hate campaign. For my children, I am very, very grateful. A dispatch from Canada, from an ex-patriot American Lesbian-in-Exile. So many of us thought, 10 years ago, that the fight for marriage didn't matter; that it was "assimilating" to heterosexual norms, or that it was a marginal issue. In my own circle, most of those people, if they are coupled, are now married! Why? First, it's a rights thing– there are specific rights that only marriage (not common-law, not domestic partnership) confers. As we get older, we need those rights. Second, if we have children, they need to have a way of talking about their families that communicates our-and their-equality. They need to feel, deep in their bones, that there is nothing inferior about the home and family where they are loved and brought up. Third, there has been a tremendous opening up of acceptance, and a growing consensus that open expression of bigotry against GLBT people is rude, if not deplorable. Our families now know other families with GLBT kids, and our partners get invited to reunions much more often. It's become matter-of-fact. Is that a good thing?? Well, OK, sometimes I miss being an exotic creature; the most radical family on the block. But not very often. There are other, more fun ways to be radical in your neighbors' eyes, than being the object of a hate campaign. For my children, I am very, very grateful.

]]> By: Serena Patterson http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2010/01/11/live-updates-from-the-courtroom-ii/#comment-194211 Serena Patterson Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:18:02 +0000 http://prop8trialtracker.com/?p=112#comment-194211 My family went through this during the years when Canada debated same-sex marriage ad nauseum. I also have written on the experience (one of my pieces is in the book "Who's Your Daddy? Writings on Queer Parenting", edited by Rachel Epstein (2009). Excellent book. Even more now than in the 90's, the attacks on same-sex marriage are framed in terms of an imagined threat that our families pose to children. This was reinforced by the current pope, and his predicessor, who called adoption of children by same-sex couples "child abuse". What a hateful thing for a dying religious leader to leave as his legacy! Is life easier for us now, in Canada, with our marriage legally recognised and our children "legitimate"? Yes, actually, it is. Our "new" children, ten years younger than the first, talk about prejudice against homosexuals and lesbians as if it were part of the distant past. Our now-23-year-old is still angry and in pain from the years when she was torn between defending us and disowning us. It tore us apart, and we are trying to come back together as mother and daughter. What you are saying is so important; keep saying it. And you have millions behind you, including most especially me. Our children deserve to be protected from the bigots who would tell them lies about their family. My family went through this during the years when Canada debated same-sex marriage ad nauseum. I also have written on the experience (one of my pieces is in the book "Who's Your Daddy? Writings on Queer Parenting", edited by Rachel Epstein (2009). Excellent book. Even more now than in the 90's, the attacks on same-sex marriage are framed in terms of an imagined threat that our families pose to children. This was reinforced by the current pope, and his predicessor, who called adoption of children by same-sex couples "child abuse". What a hateful thing for a dying religious leader to leave as his legacy! Is life easier for us now, in Canada, with our marriage legally recognised and our children "legitimate"? Yes, actually, it is. Our "new" children, ten years younger than the first, talk about prejudice against homosexuals and lesbians as if it were part of the distant past. Our now-23-year-old is still angry and in pain from the years when she was torn between defending us and disowning us. It tore us apart, and we are trying to come back together as mother and daughter.
What you are saying is so important; keep saying it. And you have millions behind you, including most especially me. Our children deserve to be protected from the bigots who would tell them lies about their family.

]]> By: Mike http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2010/01/11/live-updates-from-the-courtroom-ii/#comment-194210 Mike Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:29:51 +0000 http://prop8trialtracker.com/?p=112#comment-194210 I have been with my partner for 26 years and longer than most of my straight friends I have been with my partner for 26 years and longer than most of my straight friends

]]> By: Lorelei http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2010/01/11/live-updates-from-the-courtroom-ii/#comment-194209 Lorelei Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:26:51 +0000 http://prop8trialtracker.com/?p=112#comment-194209 I'm a bit surprised at what Cooper is coming up with as his main arguments. It seems ridiculously thin, ordinary and kind of laughable. It makes me think that he's not really interested in winning at all. Could this be true?? I'm a bit surprised at what Cooper is coming up with as his main arguments. It seems ridiculously thin, ordinary and kind of laughable. It makes me think that he's not really interested in winning at all. Could this be true??

]]> By: DebraCJ http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2010/01/11/live-updates-from-the-courtroom-ii/#comment-194208 DebraCJ Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:55:37 +0000 http://prop8trialtracker.com/?p=112#comment-194208 I think what Miriam was getting at is that banning same sex marriage harms heterosex marriage. I think what Miriam was getting at is that banning same sex marriage harms heterosex marriage.

]]> By: don clanton http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2010/01/11/live-updates-from-the-courtroom-ii/#comment-194207 don clanton Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:54:23 +0000 http://prop8trialtracker.com/?p=112#comment-194207 Rick, you are now an historical person of global dimension. Loud cheers for your reportage from Norway. Seems the whole world is watching! Ya-a-a-y Rick! Rick, you are now an historical person of global dimension. Loud cheers for your reportage from Norway. Seems the whole world is watching! Ya-a-a-y Rick!

]]> By: Bid to overturn Proposition 8 and protect marriage underway in San Francisco « An Onymous Lefty http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2010/01/11/live-updates-from-the-courtroom-ii/#comment-194206 Bid to overturn Proposition 8 and protect marriage underway in San Francisco « An Onymous Lefty Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:00:57 +0000 http://prop8trialtracker.com/?p=112#comment-194206 [...] 12 January, 2010 · Leave a Comment The trial to overturn Proposition 8 (when a “democratic”* majority of Californians voted to take a basic right away from a minority) as “un-Constitutional” is underway in San Francisco. [...] [...] 12 January, 2010 · Leave a Comment The trial to overturn Proposition 8 (when a “democratic”* majority of Californians voted to take a basic right away from a minority) as “un-Constitutional” is underway in San Francisco. [...]

]]> By: Live Updates from the Courtroom « Prop 8 Trial Tracker http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2010/01/11/live-updates-from-the-courtroom-ii/#comment-194188 Live Updates from the Courtroom « Prop 8 Trial Tracker Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:10:58 +0000 http://prop8trialtracker.com/?p=112#comment-194188 [...] This post was getting really long. A second post is now up here. Follow the continuous updates [...] [...] This post was getting really long. A second post is now up here. Follow the continuous updates [...]

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